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Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 9:00:59 AM  (Reply)
I am never ceased to be amazed by creationists!
I mean with all the scientific evidence from geologists,anthropologists,archaeologists and other such professionals.
These people spend their lives trying to piece together the history of our little planet.
Humanity,(ie,Homosapiens)have not been around very long!
To persist with the belief however that the world was created by God in seven days,six thousand years ago,is to me anyway,mind boggingly ignorant.
I read an article recently,and while it was interesting,the comments really astounded me!
http://www.news.com.au/world/australopithecus-sediba-the-two-million-year-old-boy/comments-e6frfkyi-1225851674465
ufoz   posted:5/30/2012 10:23:06 AM  (Reply)
check out the golden ratio and the fibonacci sequence. that will leave a few questions in your soul.
jaguarsky   posted:5/30/2012 10:30:47 AM  (Reply)
The ancient, mystical Hebrew texts say very clearly that man cannot comprehend God (the Cosmos), they go on to say, for a simple reference; that God's days are as ten thousand years and that the universe is no more than the distance across God's thumbnail.

Clearly we were not meant to understand the majesty of Creation by what was written in the Bible, we were told, in no uncertain terms that we are incapable of such. The six days was meant to teach us, along with the ten thousand year example, that Creation took a huge amount of time. So great a time that we can't really imagine it.

The problem is that such teachings are missing in the "modern" Bible. It has always amazed me how people who are educated and seem not to be delusional in other areas will stand their ground on the subject of Creationism. Even when you point out the factual misunderstanding of their holy texts because of self serving editing they still don't get it. Or refuse to. Or are afraid to.
Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 10:50:51 AM  (Reply)

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ufoz  posted:5/30/2012 10:23:06 AM  (Reply)
check out the golden ratio and the fibonacci sequence. that will leave a few questions in your soul.
Nope no questions there!
ufoz   posted:5/30/2012 11:02:45 AM  (Reply)

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Jaxerback  posted:5/30/2012 10:50:51 AM  (Reply)
Nope no questions there!
oh great! please. enlighten me
Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 11:07:41 AM  (Reply)

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jaguarsky  posted:5/30/2012 10:30:47 AM  (Reply)
The ancient, mystical Hebrew texts say very clearly that man cannot comprehend God (the Cosmos), they go on to say, for a simple reference; that God's days are as ten thousand years and that the universe is no more than the distance across God's thumbnail.

Clearly we were not meant to understand the majesty of Creation by what was written in the Bible, we were told, in no uncertain terms that we are incapable of such. The six days was meant to teach us, along with the ten thousand year example, that Creation took a huge amount of time. So great a time that we can't really imagine it.

The problem is that such teachings are missing in the "modern" Bible. It has always amazed me how people who are educated and seem not to be delusional in other areas will stand their ground on the subject of Creationism. Even when you point out the factual misunderstanding of their holy texts because of self serving editing they still don't get it. Or refuse to. Or are afraid to.
The ancient texts were written by us.The bible was written by us.
God was created by us!
Ask that kid from two million years ago..at least he was real!!
steriddler   posted:5/30/2012 11:35:41 AM  (Reply)

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Jaxerback  posted:5/30/2012 9:00:59 AM  (Reply)
I am never ceased to be amazed by creationists!
I mean with all the scientific evidence from geologists,anthropologists,archaeologists and other such professionals.
These people spend their lives trying to piece together the history of our little planet.
Humanity,(ie,Homosapiens)have not been around very long!
To persist with the belief however that the world was created by God in seven days,six thousand years ago,is to me anyway,mind boggingly ignorant.
I read an article recently,and while it was interesting,the comments really astounded me!
http://www.news.com.au/world/australopithecus-sediba-the-two-million-year-old-boy/comments-e6frfkyi-1225851674465
Not that i beleive in creationists way of thinking. But in defence of there being a god. It was not six days the earth was created in, 1000 years to us 1 day to god so god said it took 6 days (his days)= 6000 years. And on a the subject of "I mean with all the scientific evidence from geologists,anthropologists,archaeologists" there is one problem they do not have 1 shread of evidence to back up evolution, they will say they have but they dont. If you dont beleive me do some studying.
Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 2:49:36 PM  (Reply)
Is it not blindingly obvious that every living thing is constantly evolving?
Walk into any building a few hundred years old for example and you will find that the general population were a lot shorter than we are today.
Do we not all change to suit our situations?
Its called adaptability,and that's why our species has been so successful!
Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 3:14:19 PM  (Reply)

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ufoz  posted:5/30/2012 11:02:45 AM  (Reply)
oh great! please. enlighten me
Enlighten me please,are they not just naturally occurring ratio's?
Jaxerback   posted:5/30/2012 3:49:24 PM  (Reply)

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steriddler  posted:5/30/2012 11:35:41 AM  (Reply)
Not that i beleive in creationists way of thinking. But in defence of there being a god. It was not six days the earth was created in, 1000 years to us 1 day to god so god said it took 6 days (his days)= 6000 years. And on a the subject of "I mean with all the scientific evidence from geologists,anthropologists,archaeologists" there is one problem they do not have 1 shread of evidence to back up evolution, they will say they have but they dont. If you dont beleive me do some studying.
So it took God six thousand years to create planet Earth?
Dinosaurs lived for 100 million years,give or take a thousand or six.
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old,the universe,13.5 billion years old.
My question is,what happened before that??
gary107   posted:5/31/2012 12:41:39 AM  (Reply)
this universe is 13.5 billions of years old, but there are stars around that are much older than that. It appears there have been a number of "Big Bangs" and our universe is just the latest one.
ufoz   posted:5/31/2012 8:06:17 AM  (Reply)

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Jaxerback  posted:5/30/2012 3:14:19 PM  (Reply)
Enlighten me please,are they not just naturally occurring ratio's?
well that is the question. its everywhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYDwWbDhCEg&list=PLF6544C9ADDA0CE21&index=3&feature=plpp_video
jaguarsky   posted:5/31/2012 9:18:32 AM  (Reply)

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Jaxerback  posted:5/30/2012 11:07:41 AM  (Reply)
The ancient texts were written by us.The bible was written by us.
God was created by us!
Ask that kid from two million years ago..at least he was real!!
I wasn't professing a belief in the "truth" of the Bible nor a "God". I do however believe there are forces in the universe, shaping and creating, that we have yet to grasp. I was simply saying that the foundation for all Biblical writings was set up to tell us we are not to take the texts literally, nor to try to understand the mind of God. Yet there are millions who do and are willing to kill and/or condemn the rest of us because of it.

I totally agree that the Bible is a human construct as well as the Gods, or God. The Bible was an attempt by a small class of people to quantify their quickly evolving religion and to keep the power center firmly established within that small class. It is always this way. Every single time someone says, "My religion....".
stevengt18   posted:5/31/2012 5:09:30 PM  (Reply)

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jaguarsky  posted:5/30/2012 10:30:47 AM  (Reply)
The ancient, mystical Hebrew texts say very clearly that man cannot comprehend God (the Cosmos), they go on to say, for a simple reference; that God's days are as ten thousand years and that the universe is no more than the distance across God's thumbnail.

Clearly we were not meant to understand the majesty of Creation by what was written in the Bible, we were told, in no uncertain terms that we are incapable of such. The six days was meant to teach us, along with the ten thousand year example, that Creation took a huge amount of time. So great a time that we can't really imagine it.

The problem is that such teachings are missing in the "modern" Bible. It has always amazed me how people who are educated and seem not to be delusional in other areas will stand their ground on the subject of Creationism. Even when you point out the factual misunderstanding of their holy texts because of self serving editing they still don't get it. Or refuse to. Or are afraid to.
Nicely said!!! took the words right out of my mouth! This is your explanation Jaxerback. Once again, i see you on here trying to start another debate. Youknow whats funny? its almost the same arguement. You said almost the same things that you " never seem to be amazed" by. Just like he said,You wont be able to comprehend God Jaxerback, and your not supposed to, he is our creator of our so called TIME. So how can you possibly question his concept of time when he created it. Thats why you cant really argue with scripture. You either believe it or you dont.
LincolnGenghis   posted:5/31/2012 7:56:52 PM  (Reply)
Basically if you go back far enough you are left with the Singularity. what was before that? where did it come from? Those kind of questions bring people into the realm of infinity which does not equate in our human minds.

Its God.
jaguarsky   posted:6/1/2012 9:43:08 AM  (Reply)

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LincolnGenghis  posted:5/31/2012 7:56:52 PM  (Reply)
Basically if you go back far enough you are left with the Singularity. what was before that? where did it come from? Those kind of questions bring people into the realm of infinity which does not equate in our human minds.

Its God.
Exactly. Well, maybe. I think admitting that there is "something" so great in the Cosmos, some energy, a collective mind, a thing we cannot yet begin to comprehend that by its very existence manipulates or at the very least is a universal force in the process of Creation, is the first step to understanding it all. Not that I think it is necessary to understand it all.

Jaxerback   posted:6/2/2012 1:15:06 AM  (Reply)

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jaguarsky  posted:6/1/2012 9:43:08 AM  (Reply)
Exactly. Well, maybe. I think admitting that there is "something" so great in the Cosmos, some energy, a collective mind, a thing we cannot yet begin to comprehend that by its very existence manipulates or at the very least is a universal force in the process of Creation, is the first step to understanding it all. Not that I think it is necessary to understand it all.

Yes that is true,but it is in our nature to try to understand,even if we cant.
I knew an insomniac dyslectic agnostic once.
He lay awake all night wondering if there was a dog.
gary107   posted:6/2/2012 2:03:01 AM  (Reply)
the reasoning that asserts if there is something we do not yet know or something that we ncan not understand, then there must be God, presents us withthe line of thought that God is God only so long as there is any ignorance left in our world. That would be a very dark God indeed.
Jaxerback   posted:6/2/2012 2:14:25 AM  (Reply)
narxes   posted:6/2/2012 8:58:13 PM  (Reply)
First of all if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
Its clear enough that any religion has good intentions. religion was a mere tool for people in the dark days,
they needed some thing to hold on even now people need that some may still find that in religion sadly.
but many don't know that the same spiritual fulfillment can be find in science as well. It changes your way of thinking and keeps your mind sharp.
and dare to ask skeptical questions. and be skeptical about the answers and what the trought bare out.
religion keeps people from asking questions and thinking from out side of the box. their is no way in telling them the true answers on things in life.
they will simply follow the book. that's the doctrine of religion.
Lucky all the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science.
And if there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion.
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet, any clear mind can see that.



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